Plato, Timaeus 53 a 7

Plato, Timaeus 53 a 7 333 3) W. H. Thompson ad loc. 4) Cp. my Miscellaneous Notes on Plato (1975), 14-15; the position taken by D. Babut (op. cit., 62, n. 61) is not entirely clear. 5) Cp. W. Capelle, RE, Suppl. VI (1935), col. 317 ff. 6) These are "laudatory epithets", according to Thompson (note on Phdr. 269 e). Only it must be kept in mind that they are used with irony in the second degree. 7) J. Jouanna, La collection hippocratique et Platon, REG 90 (1977), 19, n. 5, suggests that in 272 d 3 reflects in 270 a I. This is 'close reading'; but the idea is rather too far-fetched. 8) Annotationes in Platonis Opera (1829), 1, 570. 9) In a short note, published in 1975 (Miscell. Notes, 44), I pointed out the positive appreciation of Anaxagoras to be found in Laws XII and argued (against Dodds and others) that Laws 967 b-c does not show that Plato would have regarded him as an atheist. Since then D. Babut has offered an extensive discussion of Plato's appreciation of Anaxagoras (op. cit., 60-76). PLATO, TIMAE US 53 A 7 In a recent note 1), Professor Solmsen observes that at Pl. Tim. 53 a 7 we should expect xod npiv instead of 7tpLV x<xL We may, however, defend the transmitted reading by comparing Meno 79 e 7, Phd. 76 e 6, Phdy. 273 d 2, Ar. Av. zo34, Ran. 166, Pluto 259, where 7tpLV xott means 'before so much as' 2). In the present case the establishment of the order of the whole might be regarded as a minimal condition for the elements reaching their proper positions. ZEIST, Homeruslaan 53 W. J. VERDENIUS I) F. Solmsen, RhM 124 (1981), 2. 2) See my notes in Mnem. IV 10 (1957), 293-4, IV I I (1958), 211, K Studia ... W. J. W. Koster (Amsterdam 1967), 145, G. J. de Vries on Phdr. 273 d 2, who compares Gorg. 458 b 6. MISCELLANEA ANOTHER NOTE ON PLATO, PHAEDRUS 270 AC De Vries (above, p. 332) seems to me right in arguing that p6atq in Phdr. 270 ac means 'essential nature'. This appears most clearly from d I itEPL lTouo5v yu'cew4, which refers back to c 9 7rep't yu'acco4 1). If this is accepted, c 2 ?ou lxou cannot refer to the universe or the whole of nature, but must mean 'the whole entity in question' 2). For this usage cf. lIrf eno 77 a 6 xaTa. lxou d7tNV 7tgpL 0' r'L Ècr't'LV. Des Places in his Lexique de Platon (375) notes : "premier exemple de http://www.deepdyve.com/assets/images/DeepDyve-Logo-lg.png Mnemosyne Brill

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333 3) W. H. Thompson ad loc. 4) Cp. my Miscellaneous Notes on Plato (1975), 14-15; the position taken by D. Babut (op. cit., 62, n. 61) is not entirely clear. 5) Cp. W. Capelle, RE, Suppl. VI (1935), col. 317 ff. 6) These are "laudatory epithets", according to Thompson (note on Phdr. 269 e). Only it must be kept in mind that they are used with irony in the second degree. 7) J. Jouanna, La collection hippocratique et Platon, REG 90 (1977), 19, n. 5, suggests that in 272 d 3 reflects in 270 a I. This is 'close reading'; but the idea is rather too far-fetched. 8) Annotationes in Platonis Opera (1829), 1, 570. 9) In a short note, published in 1975 (Miscell. Notes, 44), I pointed out the positive appreciation of Anaxagoras to be found in Laws XII and argued (against Dodds and others) that Laws 967 b-c does not show that Plato would have regarded him as an atheist. Since then D. Babut has offered an extensive discussion of Plato's appreciation of Anaxagoras (op. cit., 60-76). PLATO, TIMAE US 53 A 7 In a recent note 1), Professor Solmsen observes that at Pl. Tim. 53 a 7 we should expect xod npiv instead of 7tpLV x<xL We may, however, defend the transmitted reading by comparing Meno 79 e 7, Phd. 76 e 6, Phdy. 273 d 2, Ar. Av. zo34, Ran. 166, Pluto 259, where 7tpLV xott means 'before so much as' 2). In the present case the establishment of the order of the whole might be regarded as a minimal condition for the elements reaching their proper positions. ZEIST, Homeruslaan 53 W. J. VERDENIUS I) F. Solmsen, RhM 124 (1981), 2. 2) See my notes in Mnem. IV 10 (1957), 293-4, IV I I (1958), 211, K Studia ... W. J. W. Koster (Amsterdam 1967), 145, G. J. de Vries on Phdr. 273 d 2, who compares Gorg. 458 b 6. MISCELLANEA ANOTHER NOTE ON PLATO, PHAEDRUS 270 AC De Vries (above, p. 332) seems to me right in arguing that p6atq in Phdr. 270 ac means 'essential nature'. This appears most clearly from d I itEPL lTouo5v yu'cew4, which refers back to c 9 7rep't yu'acco4 1). If this is accepted, c 2 ?ou lxou cannot refer to the universe or the whole of nature, but must mean 'the whole entity in question' 2). For this usage cf. lIrf eno 77 a 6 xaTa. lxou d7tNV 7tgpL 0' r'L Ècr't'LV. Des Places in his Lexique de Platon (375) notes : "premier exemple de

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